tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post175064350225185993..comments2024-02-08T11:51:18.121-05:00Comments on Brian G. Hedges : Young, Restless, and ReformedBrian G. Hedgeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07484347615800136537noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-53991829765817136622008-05-09T10:29:00.000-04:002008-05-09T10:29:00.000-04:00This might be of interest to some of you.See, I ev...<A HREF="http://andynaselli.com/theology/collin-hansen-discusses-young-restless-reformed" REL="nofollow">This</A> might be of interest to some of you.<BR/><BR/>See, I even read other Reformed bloggers. I'm so open-minded. :-)mwhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08202670246362616005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-6590942881997753452008-05-09T10:13:00.000-04:002008-05-09T10:13:00.000-04:00Andrew: Your proposal is intriguing. It certainl...Andrew: Your proposal is intriguing. It certainly is a lot more wholistic, accounting for other contemporary shifts. I enjoy exploring these sociological dimensions of faith, and in asking my questions above I was curious if Hansen had as well. If you prefer the "tradition" vocabulary to the "authority" vocabulary, then that's fine with me.mwhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08202670246362616005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-44154798763422260952008-05-08T16:56:00.000-04:002008-05-08T16:56:00.000-04:00Michael - I see. I thought you were saying that it...Michael - I see. I thought you were saying that it was primarily people going from one highly tradtional/authoritarian upbringing/background to another, which was what I was disagreeing with. But I guess we agree, so that's always nice. :)<BR/><BR/>I am curious what your issues are with reformed theology, though. Perhaps that's a topic for an actual conversation, or a separate blog post, though.Bethanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09306156686873284031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-77679724732175906792008-05-08T16:52:00.000-04:002008-05-08T16:52:00.000-04:00Michael,Your comments makes me want to hear more o...Michael,<BR/><BR/>Your comments makes me want to hear more of thoughts on the matter. I'll look forward to your post.<BR/><BR/>I wonder though if its not more the theological substance and tradition of Reformed theology that appeals to young converts (sociologically speaking), than authority. Speaking as one of these "young, restless, Reformed" people myself, it seems that there a lot these andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00095987717705695514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-37973370926639345152008-05-08T16:40:00.000-04:002008-05-08T16:40:00.000-04:00Bethany: That's my point exactly. I'm proposing t...Bethany: That's my point exactly. I'm proposing that these converts are anomalous to their generation in that they have a high view of authority (whereas their secular counterparts are anti-authoritarian). And so, although not addressing the Fundamentalism aspect of my hypothesis, it sounds like your experience confirms the authority dimension of the Reformed tradition and these conversions. <mwhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08202670246362616005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-80747117881755168242008-05-08T16:20:00.001-04:002008-05-08T16:20:00.001-04:00I definitely agree: sociological factors affect ev...I definitely agree: sociological factors affect everything. And again, conditioning has certainly affected my wariness.<BR/><BR/>As you have indicated, the existence of these sociological dimensions do not necessarily invalidate Reformed theology. I don't question that God is working in and through the Reformed movement. When I said the Gospel was going out, I didn't doubt it was doing so bothmwhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08202670246362616005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-65351746438667760442008-05-08T16:20:00.000-04:002008-05-08T16:20:00.000-04:00"the Reformed tradition is extremely authoritarian..."the Reformed tradition is extremely authoritarian, therefore it's surprising that it's appealing to such an anti-authoritarian generation. I suspect many of these young people are anomalous to their generation. I suspect that's why many of these converts come from one branch or another of (Neo-)Fundamentalism, where authority has higher prestige. But this is speculation; I don't have the hard Bethanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09306156686873284031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-39688139569504534872008-05-08T16:16:00.000-04:002008-05-08T16:16:00.000-04:00"I'm curious if Hansen or others, have explored th..."I'm curious if Hansen or others, have explored the sociological dimensions of these conversions, namely: the Reformed tradition is extremely authoritarian, therefore it's surprising that it's appealing to such an anti-authoritarian generation. I suspect many of these young people are anomalous to their generation. I suspect that's why many of these converts come from one branch or another of (Bethanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09306156686873284031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-5984138881426453192008-05-08T15:02:00.000-04:002008-05-08T15:02:00.000-04:00Well, that's a young, restless, and not reformed w...Well, that's a young, restless, and not reformed way of looking at it! :-)<BR/><BR/>Sure, sociological factors affect everything - perhaps also including your suspicion of this movement (?). An anti-authoritarian mindset is also a sociological construct.<BR/><BR/>I obviously don't share your skepticism. From what I can see of this movement, inasmuch as it is producing true faith in Christ, Brian G. Hedgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07484347615800136537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-61463819319730290922008-05-08T10:48:00.000-04:002008-05-08T10:48:00.000-04:00Ahhh....so many thoughts; discernment to choose th...Ahhh....so many thoughts; discernment to choose the right ones.<BR/><BR/>Yes, I can and should rejoice over the seriousness with which many of these young people are taking both the church and the study of Scripture. Piper is, if anything, awe inspiring; and is able to rally the troops in a way, hands down, no else I've ever seen can do. So even when I regularly (though not continuously) find mwhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08202670246362616005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-57455176546783146802008-05-08T09:05:00.000-04:002008-05-08T09:05:00.000-04:00No, I don't recall any numbers, except perhaps the...No, I don't recall any numbers, except perhaps the numbers of Sovereign Grace churches, Acts 29 churches, and students at Southern Seminary. You should take a look at this book. Despite reservations you may have about some aspects of Reformed theology, I think you'd find it encouraging. one of the most encouraging things is the seriousness with which young believers are taking theology and the Brian G. Hedgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07484347615800136537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-14066467790805306652008-05-08T08:02:00.000-04:002008-05-08T08:02:00.000-04:00Does Hansen give any numbers as to what percentage...Does Hansen give any numbers as to what percentage of the evangelical pie is represented by the reformed camp? It definitely has been getting a lot of hype from everywhere from the CT article of that title to blogs to conferences, etc... I was just curious if anyone has run the numbers. Maybe that's Barna's job.mwhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08202670246362616005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-20621546396105732252008-05-08T07:26:00.000-04:002008-05-08T07:26:00.000-04:00I know, I'm reading one of them!So many books, so ...I know, I'm reading one of them!<BR/><BR/>So many books, so little time. *sigh* :)Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01731023577099183999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-7810962600176018452008-05-07T22:29:00.000-04:002008-05-07T22:29:00.000-04:00Well, there's no immediate plans to. For one thing...Well, there's no immediate plans to. For one thing, the table is pretty full right now - lots of good new stuff there, though!Brian G. Hedgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07484347615800136537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15461403.post-43176356999731671712008-05-07T19:17:00.000-04:002008-05-07T19:17:00.000-04:00Are ya'll going to put it on the book table? :)Are ya'll going to put it on the book table? :)Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01731023577099183999noreply@blogger.com